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Post by KnightusMaximus on Feb 3, 2007 11:16:45 GMT -5
As is typical of long cases, I don't think we know any particularly key information about the suspects yet. The type of disease and their appearance may be linked to the solution, but the next file will surely help us draw those kind of conclusions - though the way it could unfold with Rena awake is anyone's guess.
So the disease is indeed leukemia; and there is no doubt Conan was drawing similar ideas as Nigayomogi did in that particular panel regarding Eisuke and Rena's relationship.
Have we been drawn into a false sense of security thinking we've figured out the secret of the subplot now? ^^
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Post by Toichi on Feb 4, 2007 2:40:29 GMT -5
As is typical of long cases, I don't think we know any particularly key information about the suspects yet. The type of disease and their appearance may be linked to the solution, but the next file will surely help us draw those kind of conclusions - though the way it could unfold with Rena awake is anyone's guess. So the disease is indeed leukemia; and there is no doubt Conan was drawing similar ideas as Nigayomogi did in that particular panel regarding Eisuke and Rena's relationship. Have we been drawn into a false sense of security thinking we've figured out the secret of the subplot now? ^^ What idea did Nigamayogi have about Rena and Eisuke? I am a bit curious to find out. Looks like I am 100% sure now that Rena Mizunashi hospitalized(argh I mean woken up) is really Ethan Hondou's daughter and as per my graph theory regarding this fact, I hereby conclude that RENA MIZUNASHI(Ethan's daughter) is really NOC working for the CIA.
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Post by triplelite on Feb 4, 2007 6:08:50 GMT -5
Wahhhhhhhhh now I'm all confused at the discussion
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Post by queen misanagi on Feb 4, 2007 22:16:09 GMT -5
yeah a bit confused as well... about the title for the next issue, maybe double thread could mean that the FBI would finally discover/catch a second member of the organization... akai has been calling them threads anyway.
it could also be metaphorical, of course
then again there may be a new case with a thread involved and it could refer to both circumstances. gosho likes to give dual meanings (at least from what i have observed)
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Post by triplelite on Feb 5, 2007 0:46:16 GMT -5
I reckon they should end this mini-plot with a 2-hour special, similiar to that Halloween party, Matsuda Case etc.
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Post by Toichi on Feb 5, 2007 5:44:53 GMT -5
Not this, I think the next BO case will be in chapter 600 as I don't think the cureent case is somewhat directly a 2 hr special. Just can't wait.
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Post by Akai Shuichi on Feb 6, 2007 18:26:35 GMT -5
I haven't really read any of the manga, but just browsing through this makes me want to see the next chapter really bad.
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Post by tricks on Feb 7, 2007 14:50:57 GMT -5
I actually think that the one asking about eisuke is a CIA member, not one of the MIB...Either he got there searching for rena or by coincidence, if he was a colleague of ethan than he would recognize eisuke... About the one who eisuke saw mailing the MIB boss, i think it was either akai shuuichi or james black...akai was always suspicious, and i think that he is actually calvados...back in ep 345, when ran got out of the trunk, and calvados shot her, all the bullets missed her...and hit near her legs...would someone who is trying to kill her really shoot there instead of toward the heart or head? also the way chianti was really angry about the death of calvados, it seems she really cared about him...and the way akai said 'koibito-san' when shooting the MIB in ep 425...he saw vermouth in 345 and said nothing, so it was probably meant for chianti...only she didn't recongnize him cause he was disguised...and either she dumped him to get him crawling back to her or he made the break up thing up...and about calvados, he probably did some trick to make the gunshot, and put some random guy he killed...since it's a MIB, the FBI won't know what he really looks like...plus both akai and calvados like snipers(though chianti and korn do too)...anyway he's on the MIB side and made this calvados plan just with the boss so that if there is a rat it won't be reveild that he is a member...or that he is on the FBI's side and is trying to make the boss of the MIB trust him... The reason i suspect james as well is that perhaps akai is just a bait so we would suspect him while james is the real culprit...but then the whole calvados koibito deal doesn't work... about rena, i think that she is really eisuke's sister...i'm sure that the doctor jakyle and mr. hide book in rena's apartmeant wasn't just a hint for haidou park...it could be that it was just hinting about the mystery of rena's identity...but it could also be that she has some sort of split personality...which explains what happend with conan when they both picked her shoe at the same time...why she took the listening device out of her ear and thanked conan for worrying about her (he was sweating and all that,so she probably knew he lied...)...that's not a typical MIB member behaviour... about eisuke i really don't know...i don't know if he is a MIB member or something cause some things suggest it while other deny it...i think perhaps it was rena who underwent the leukemia operation...if the nurse was just taking care of her after the operation then maybe she didn't know she was a girl...and rena probably underwent chemotherapy so her hair fell of...eisuke said that his sister studied abroad, it could be that his parents didn't want to tell him that she was in the hospital...so the nurse could mistake her for a boy, even if it's unlikely... anyway that's my opinion ^^"
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Post by Akai Shuichi on Feb 7, 2007 16:01:11 GMT -5
I don't remember anything about Calvaldos liking snipers, He uses one, but His favorite gun is the 'Shotgun'
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Post by triplelite on Feb 8, 2007 0:23:36 GMT -5
Eisuke is too careless to be a Spy or working for the government
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Post by queen misanagi on Feb 8, 2007 6:05:41 GMT -5
but maybe being careless is just eisuke's front
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Post by Toichi on Feb 11, 2007 1:44:46 GMT -5
I just read this in wikipedia under NOC(Non-Official Cover) I think I got why Vermouth asked Rena if she is NOC. This is just Gosho's foreshadowing about Rena's past. Explanation: Rena is actually from CIA( maybe not CIA but an accomplice) i.e. assigned by Ethan Hondou(her father and CIA) to infiltrate the BO to gather info on the BO's workings(spying on the BO). How the heck did heck did Rena become a double agent? The answer was already posted by me a long time ago. Well here it is anyway. Act 1 img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/7/1/28/f_Act1i_b2cam_aef82a7.pngAct 2 img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/7/1/28/f_Act2i_b2cam_ca6f0e1.pngBTW: I didn't make any modifications from the last time. And this is just to tell you guys that my theory about the warehouse events is 100% right.
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Post by kinns911 on Feb 11, 2007 18:47:46 GMT -5
I don't know Toichi-san, who knows. Gosho might surprise you and do something random. Though I'm hoping you're right, cause Conan's in the hospital and if Rena sees him and she is evil, little conan is in BIG trouble considering, she's bound to recognize him! That will be bad, cause then She'll go to Gin and say 'Hey! I've seen this kid three times now, I think he's following me!' And then Gin, being all paranoid and stuff with say. 'Heh, kill him.' And I'll be all. O.O 'Don't kill Conan!'
That aside, I'm really worried about Hondou. I like him! He's funny. and stuff. I really love all the DC characters. anyways. I'm wondering if Kid will be back soon, I want him to be. He's amazing.
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Post by Toichi on Feb 12, 2007 4:34:12 GMT -5
I don't know Toichi-san, who knows. Gosho might surprise you and do something random. Though I'm hoping you're right, cause Conan's in the hospital and if Rena sees him and she is evil, little conan is in BIG trouble considering, she's bound to recognize him! That will be bad, cause then She'll go to Gin and say 'Hey! I've seen this kid three times now, I think he's following me!' And then Gin, being all paranoid and stuff with say. 'Heh, kill him.' And I'll be all. O.O 'Don't kill Conan!' That aside, I'm really worried about Hondou. I like him! He's funny. and stuff. I really love all the DC characters. anyways. I'm wondering if Kid will be back soon, I want him to be. He's amazing. @kinns: After the Moon Ghost case, it is confirmed that the person who taught disguise to both Sharon(Vermouth) and Yukiko was Toichi Kuroba, so Gosho is actually implying that Sharon has something to do with Toichi's death 8 yrs ago, Snake could be an accomplise. Let's hope Kaitou KID has some connection with Vermouth or hatred of some kind. Anyway, I happened to watch Episode 462- Shadow Of the BO-Sole Witness. After he used that touching your face thing to know if a person is lying or not, The same thing Rena tried on Conan in Episode 425, Furthermore Eisuke said he learnt this method from his father who happened to be CIA(so its natural because I think members of CIA often use this) so we can confirm Ethan Hondou was the father and Rena Mizunashi( according to Akai Shuichi-007>_<) was Eisuke's sister.
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Post by Toichi on Feb 12, 2007 6:21:25 GMT -5
No, even if Eisuke knew Conan is investigating he wouldn't have pestered Mouri and use hints to make Mouri cough up everything about Rena's whereabouts. Because it looked obvious to Conan that he is investigating on Rena. If you ask me that would be the dumbest mistake. So Eisuke has no need to lie to Ran on where he learnt because he dosen't know Conan is intelligent and all.
Also I have taught up of something about Eisuke that I speculated.
From what we have seen about Eisuke, he seems to leave that place whenever he gets any clue related to Rena. This suggests that he has been in contact with one of the MIB(preferably Vermouth) and he is giving every bit of info about Rena to her. This explains why Eisuke was peeping on Conan in one of his investigations. It seems like that this is what Vermouth told Eisuke "It seems (your sister/the spitting image of your sister)* is missing and the last person to see him is Detective Mouri Kogorou, if you want her alive go and investigate Mouri Agency and when you find some info contact me as fast as you can, Also be watchful of that kid who lives there."
So as Conan suggested Eisuke was being used by the BO.
*- Vermouth knowing if the current Kir is really a double agent and is Hondou's daughter is really a 50:50 probabilty.
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