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Post by KnightusMaximus on Jan 28, 2007 11:30:31 GMT -5
Great graphs ^^ but don't forget to avoid double posting ~ editing or deleting the previous message'll do the trick.
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Post by Nyarl on Jan 28, 2007 12:18:18 GMT -5
I think you are close. Ethan was already infiltrated into the Org., but he just couldn't gain their trust enough to gain access to their inner workings. So, the Impossible Mission Force staged the torture of "Rena" and Ethan's death so "Rena" could gain the Org.'s trust. Neither Ethan nor his partner really died. Ethan's body was a realistic prop or he had some pretty convincing makeup applied and he, along with his partner, snuck out some pre-planned escape route while the Org. set fire to the place. Kir's injuries must've been real though, so, heh, she must be very dedicated to her work.
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Post by shinxela on Jan 28, 2007 14:17:37 GMT -5
I think you are close. Ethan was already infiltrated into the Org., but he just couldn't gain their trust enough to gain access to their inner workings. So, the Impossible Mission Force staged the torture of "Rena" and Ethan's death so "Rena" could gain the Org.'s trust. Neither Ethan nor his partner really died. Ethan's body was a realistic prop or he had some pretty convincing makeup applied and he, along with his partner, snuck out some pre-planned escape route while the Org. set fire to the place. Kir's injuries must've been real though, so, heh, she must be very dedicated to her work. I totally agree with you...The theory of Toichi is very good, and I think that Ethan and his partner are still alive, also because Eisuke told that his father gives him some money. The true Kir has been killed by Ethan, while the Kir in the hospital is her real daughter. I have only a question...if the Kir of the MIB had replaced Ethan's daughter, she should have killed her...but maybe it's possible that the true daughter was only kept hidden, and her father has found her.
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Post by Nyarl on Jan 28, 2007 17:03:01 GMT -5
I totally agree with you...The theory of Toichi is very good, and I think that Ethan and his partner are still alive, also because Eisuke told that his father gives him some money. The true Kir has been killed by Ethan, while the Kir in the hospital is her real daughter. I have only a question...if the Kir of the MIB had replaced Ethan's daughter, she should have killed her...but maybe it's possible that the true daughter was only kept hidden, and her father has found her. Well, remember, Jodie confirmed that the woman they have at the hospital is blood type AB, so she's either the evil double now or they're wrong about what Eisuke's birth blood type implies. There doesn't really need to be a double at all if Eisuke really had leukemia and is now blood type AB instead of O himself due to bone marrow donated by a blood type AB sister. On another subject, I wonder if Eisuke wrongly figured that Ran and Conan are counter-intelligence agents or the like. "Angel" has a particular meaning in John Le CareƩ spy novel lingo, and Eisuke could have seen the "Angel" photo if he had been shadowing "Rena" when Vermouth was disguised as Araide (remember Jodie said that Rena repeatedly visited Araide's clinic).
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Post by Toichi on Jan 28, 2007 23:26:24 GMT -5
Ok, Looks like u guys, think Ethan's still alive. Yes, I think he is alive. Act 3 will explain the reason to how he is still alive. I still have to prove that teh blood group factor cud be wrong. The only way to prove is that to make an assumption that Kir was still alive before the accident occur to Eisuke. Maybe Kir was already spying on Ethan a long time ago. If my deduction is right. The person who gave blood to Eisuke is not his sister but actually Kir whom I suspect has the same blood group as Eisuke(O).That explains why she ran away after the blood transfusion. Or I cud be wrong becuz of the leukemia factor. My question: 1.Does leukemia have anything to do with changing the blood group? 2. If a person gets shot under the chin area, Will he/she really die or get paralyzed? Hmm Nigamayogi, If that blood under his chin was also premade. Well then yes ur correct. I think this is what happened After a long time the real daughter of Ethan finally came back. After seeing a person who looks just like her(Kir), she got shocked and asked "Who are you and why do u look just like me?" Kir didn't say a word but started to fight with the real daughter. At the end the real daughter killed her. After some time Ethan cam to the scene. Ethan: Wtf is going on here and why are there 2 "Name of Eisuke's sis".( I wish Gosho had given the name of Ethan's daughter, it wud hav been convenient for me) Real daughter: It seems you hav a spy in the CIA. I believe the deceased has undergone plastic surgery and as a result she looks just like me. To be honest, I was a bit surprised as well in seeing a person who looks just like me. Ethan: What deceased? U mean u killed her. What hav u done. When u had ur doubts about her u should hav came to me and we cud hav captured her and questioned her. I believe she works for them. The group that I am currently trying to spy. Real daughter: I am sorry, I got a bit furious and as a result I murdered her. But I have an idea. Since the BO( I believe she knows that his father is spying the BO) dosent know that they're spy is dead. Why don't we make a play. I will be the spy and I get caught by u, and at one stage I will phone to the boss of the BO( I believe Ethan knows the email number of the boss). And I will escape from there leaving u dead. Ethan: A brilliant plan, But are u sure becuz it's dangerous trying to spy the BO. What if u get caught? Real daughter: Don't worry their spy is dead, there is no one there who can even suspect me. And as a price for killing one of ur prized possesions(Kir). I am ready to accept this mission. Even at the cost of my own life.
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Post by sakuranohanabira on Jan 29, 2007 1:17:27 GMT -5
Toichi1) "The blood types changing theory" comes from the fact that bone marrow transplants are done to treat leukemia and the receiver's body starts to produce the donor's blood type after transfusion has been done (I think that's how it works but not entirely sure) *check the local library today!!* 2)If the spot "under the chin" happens to be the person's throat then he/she is highly likely to die At the moment I sort of wonder where Eisuke is during all this... Why hasn't he been answering Ran and Sonoko's calls? Is he still alive? (Black Org. stuff, not to be taken lightly) Has/will he become one of the "vertically challenged" like Conan and Ai?(that speculation has been around for a while) Hurry and do the next file Aoyama-sensei!!!
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Post by Toichi on Jan 29, 2007 4:27:43 GMT -5
Ok thx sakuranohanibara, we will see he may not to be a good aim and maybe hit the side part of the throat, where he must hav gotten shot in the muscle part of his skin just few cms away from his adam's apple, then maybe he cud hav survived.
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Post by Kentaru on Jan 29, 2007 11:05:25 GMT -5
The image from the homeless man's angle indicates that the bullet went through his head (blood all over the floor). The close ups suggest blood comes out of his mouth. However, when shot at at such a close range is it likely that the head is still there? When people commit suicide like that their brain is blown into tiny pieces.
However, considering what the FBI did to cover up that the real Dr. Araide was alive and that this is the CIA it's likely his death was a cover up. How could they fool the MiB? that's the question. They should have shot him to make sure he was dead before they burned the building.
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Post by Methuselah on Jan 30, 2007 1:02:34 GMT -5
@toicho: Even if the bullet was several cm(s) away from the vital organs within the nick (*very unlikely), such close range impact from the bullet would be like an explosion - creating a bigger wound (easily 2x or more times the regular size). It's like what you see on television where researchers experiment the force of a bullet on ballistic materials. Of course, you weren't thinking that Ethan's gun shot wound was only the size of the bullet would you? ^.^ That's... highly false.
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Post by Toichi on Jan 30, 2007 1:30:50 GMT -5
To Spartan 4869: Oh yeah, close range shots I forgot, Then according to my theory, Ethan is really dead or he used colors of fake blood,( u know like the movies,). So the MIB knows about this fact about the impact with close range shots. So they didnt find the neccessity to check if he is alive or not. And either way that acting role is given to his CIA partner who knows Ethan is alive, so all he got to do was to preach is name in dismay and fake tears. To Kentaru: As people wud say No ones perfect. Impressions that hide the truth.(yeah, yeah Miracle Air walk case) plus the mib has shown similar carelessnes in their work when Jodie Starling survive the arson fire from Vermouth. Also the homeless man plus it's not tough to fool 2 ppl with 2 ppl i.e. Ethan's daughter & his CIA partner fooled Gin & Vodka. All that they hav to do is make sure gin and vodka don't come close to Ethan's body and that's it. Before the MIB burnt the building Eisuke's sis just hav to throw the body somewhere safe without the knowledge of the BO. And I truly believe the homelessman escaped sometime before so he obviously does not hav a clue. And can someone see a foreshadowning of some kind, when seeing this www.avionicknight.com/V44-Reader/V44-4Read/V44-4/V44-4-05.jpg
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2007 15:47:59 GMT -5
Under the chin or jaw is a fatal spot. The head will still be there but it's all soft tissue there. If Hondou was lucky the bullet hit a tooth and prevented his brain from being blown but its unlikely that he would survive. That and the fact that Akai confirmed he was dead - and if his sources are as amazing as they are he would even know if Hondou was alive under Witness Protection. So I don't think he's alive.
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Post by KnightusMaximus on Jan 30, 2007 15:54:14 GMT -5
Well, Akai didn't really confirm he was dead, only that he's a CIA agent and that the name matches the events of that day. But his source may be keeping back more information about the true events that occured. If he is alive, he doesn't seem like the type to desire any particular protection from the FBI, as a diver.
The question of who is sending Eisuke money is a worthwhile one, if not his dad. Though if it is his dad, and Eisuke freely tells others about him being alive, it would seem like a badly kept secret for someone who went through the trouble of staging his own death.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2007 17:55:08 GMT -5
I'm thinking it was probably a prearranged account transfer from an account that Hondou set up. If done with a fake name it wouldn't have expired after he died.
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Post by giovannino on Jan 30, 2007 18:12:52 GMT -5
the thing that ago to suppose that it is still alive is that kir it has killed hondu 4 years ago and jodie says that has spisato 2 years ago. but it is impossible. like ago 3 aani are married ago if 4 years ago it is died. or it is still alive or it has been counterfeited some date voluntarily do not give the fbi but from qalche other person
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Post by Methuselah on Jan 31, 2007 1:17:19 GMT -5
The basic and unimportant thing to think about is to how Ethan could act "dead" in the first place and without being discovered. As we could clearly see, Ethan was lying face-up completely. How could Vodka, and even Gin, the perceptive one, over look the compression and release cycle of his lungs; indicating that he was probably still breathing. The body would also have certain reflexes that could expose such act as to imitate the dead.
So.. I doubt that Ethan is still alive. It is quite probable that someone took Ethan's place (disguise) and got himself killed. Or.. this is just some extraordinary fact - such as playing dead very will - that Gosho put in his DC universe, which the main rule is logics. =.=
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