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Post by heiji1993 on Jan 3, 2010 3:31:58 GMT -5
imari: No, I couldn't have been referring to the OAVs as they don't count in my book (They're never mentioned again in the manga and Aoyama didn't write them, so they might as well be AU fanfics). In answer #1, I actually meant the epilogues of the story arcs in vol10 and vol26. heiji1993: That's what happens when you watch "Case Closed" instead of the original. The anime crew changed the early MIB appearances into random villain arcs, so that created some plot holes (they didn't know how long the manga would last). In the anime, it's never explained how he learns their nicknames... However, in vol.4 of the manga, Conan overheard the MIB's nicknames on the bullet train to Osaka thanks to one of Agasa's bugs. Ai's real name's Shiho Miyano and you really need to watch the fansubs or, preferably, read the scanslation, because the dub's a travesty. @farid: I'll answer the questions I understood (I'm sorry, but half of them make no sense in English). Sharon Vineyard and Ran met in vol35. Vermouth killed Jodie's father and burned his house down to erase all the evidence that the FBI had been gathering on her. Shuuichi was in the organization for some time as an undercover FBI mole. Last question--> I'll give you a hint: the police said that the prints on Conan's cell matched the corpse, right? Well, suppose someone else in the hospital touched Conan's cell... When you can answer that question, read: That I already knew. I've watched more subbed episodes than dubbed episodes and I've read a few of the manga chapters, so I know a whole lot about Haibara. But in the recently dubbed movies (3 and 4), her alias is Vigray Thorne. From other sources, her english dub alias is Anita Hailey. I'm asking which one of the english dubbed alias's is the real one. I already know her real name is Shiho Miyano and her code name in the BO is Sherry, but her alias in the english dub is confuising me. Oh and ty for answering the question about how he heard their names. Do you happen to know which chapter this happened in?
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Post by faridsaputro on Jan 3, 2010 10:01:11 GMT -5
@mr.kentaru: thanks for your clue and other. sorry i'm can't using english language well
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Post by dwalin on Jan 27, 2010 19:25:42 GMT -5
I have a question here: I recently had a discussion with some other fans of Conan who say that the first episode contains a strong clue to the impossibility of a happy ending in the series. They quote a line from this episode where Ran says she has a presentiment she will never see Shinichi again. Not “for a long time”, but “never”. But I heard that there are episodes in which Conan turns back into Shinichi. Could anybody who did watch them tell me please if any of them does contradict this quote? I mean, does Shinichi meet Ran in these episodes while still in his original form? I am asking only about the short episodes from the TV-series and the manga, the movies don’t count, since I have heard they stay apart from the manga and the TV series and don’t belong to the canon story (though I may be wrong).
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Post by antiyonder on Feb 16, 2010 0:25:07 GMT -5
Yes he does.
- The first time happens in episodes 48-49. He has a cold and is given a dose of Chinese Liquor/Baigar as a remedy. The drink (or specifically a root in the drink) reacts with the chemical which made him younger, and briefly restores him to his normal age (I'm guessing between 15-30 minutes). Ran and Kogoro are present as he solves a case.
Afterwards his cold takes a turn for the worse, prompting Ran to get a doctor (as they are in a manor). The effects of the liquor wears off, thus prompting him to run.
- Episode 190-193: Ran has been getting suspicious of Conan's true identity again. Thus Haibara creates a prototype cure for the Apotoxin. She disguises herself as Conan, while the real one will use to pill to become Shinichi. Long story short, it work.
Shinichi (who believes that the pill he took permanently cured him) takes Ran to a restaraunt to tell her something, but a murder occurs and he has to leave to investigate it. During the case he feels the painful effects of the tranformation again. And regretably after the case Conan has to tell Ran that Shinichi is back on his case. (The "cure" lasted for 24 hours).
As for why he can't take those temporary cures:
A. Overuse could result in him dying. B. His body will build a resistence to the cure. C. Haibara understandably finds it dangerous as he will often put himself in the public eye (since Shinichi is suppose to be dead to the Organization).
- Final moment (canonwise anyway) is in episode 521-524: Conan has a cold once again, and is given a pill by Agasa. It was suppose to be a cold pill, but was some more prototype anitdotes made by Ai. Without going into the case, the cure like before wears off after 24 hours. Heiji takes Shinichi into a bathroom to keep Ran from following, and will hide Conan in his bag to keep him from being seen.
Haibara, however, has another pill for him to use, which he does. Unfortunatly, the pill lasts under 4 hours as the resistence is setting in. Since Ran grabs a hold of him, Haibara uses the tranq dart to render her unconscious.
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Post by magickaitou on Feb 21, 2010 19:05:06 GMT -5
i got a good answer... why conan didn't take the 24hrs pills?
his body is building -ups something that the effect of the pills is lessen and lessen. he is taking the pills, the same pills as what he took from the very first time. as he took and took the pills the time interval is lessening and lessening until it wont work, that is why ai-kun wont let conan to take it and take and take it, cause he might no longer able to become shinichi once again.
well, that how I understand it..
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Post by magickaitou on Feb 21, 2010 19:08:24 GMT -5
as far as I know, sherry is ai-kun, haibara, the other one that was turn into kid
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Post by magickaitou on Feb 21, 2010 19:10:18 GMT -5
I have a question here: I recently had a discussion with some other fans of Conan who say that the first episode contains a strong clue to the impossibility of a happy ending in the series. They quote a line from this episode where Ran says she has a presentiment she will never see Shinichi again. Not “for a long time”, but “never”. But I heard that there are episodes in which Conan turns back into Shinichi. Could anybody who did watch them tell me please if any of them does contradict this quote? I mean, does Shinichi meet Ran in these episodes while still in his original form? I am asking only about the short episodes from the TV-series and the manga, the movies don’t count, since I have heard they stay apart from the manga and the TV series and don’t belong to the canon story (though I may be wrong). there is some episode that conan turns back into shinichi, but the episode? i forgot... maybe in the 200-300, just browse it
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Post by roankun on Mar 27, 2010 23:40:10 GMT -5
question(s).
1) any background info on aoko? like, her parents (though I know her father's that crazy police officer after KID), personality and other whatnots about her. 2) why does KID keep stealing jewels? what connection does he have to the Black Org? 3) background info on Kaito. his parents (though i know Hhis father got killed, but i dunno why and who his mother is).
thanks in advance for replies.
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Post by smit1412 on Mar 29, 2010 1:18:35 GMT -5
question(s). 1) any background info on aoko? like, her parents (though I know her father's that crazy police officer after KID), personality and other whatnots about her. 2) why does KID keep stealing jewels? what connection does he have to the Black Org? 3) background info on Kaito. his parents (though i know Hhis father got killed, but i dunno why and who his mother is).
thanks in advance for replies. 1) Don't really know much that's solid about Aoko. Her mother is never mentioned in MK, and Aoko herself barely shows up in DC. She's got a speech quirk. She uses names instead of you most of the time. She speaks in third person at times as well. She is smart. She did maths whiles paying more attention to attacking Kaito with a mop in class in the first chapter of MK. 2) KID keeps stealing jewels, because he is trying to find Pandora, a gem that Snake has expressed interest in and most likely killed Kaito's father over, and destroy it before the group finds it and also uncover the murders. It is not clear if KID has any relation to the B.O. Only Snake's group who are searching for Pandora. Snake's group may be B.O, but it's not definite. Pandora - A gem inside another gem, which shows it's by glowing red under moonlight. Legend - as Snake says- is when a Volley comet passes, it sheds tears and whoever drinks them is granted immortality. (MK CH 19 P9) 3) Kaito (B-day 21 June, same day as Gosho Aoyama) is the son of Touichi Kuroba, a famous magician also the original KID. TOuichi Kuroba was murdered, 8 years before Kaito took up KID. Next to nobody seems to care about that suspiciously large break. Kaito's mother isn't canonly named as far as i can tell. She only appears for 3 pages in MK. (CH 1 PG17-19) So she also has very little information about her.
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Post by roankun on Mar 30, 2010 3:31:18 GMT -5
ok, thanks.
P.S. it's not a suspiciously large break. apparently, Jii Konosuke acted as KID in that time.
EDIT: sorry, misinformation. i read MK today and it was the time just before Kaito found out about KID that Jii pretended to be him.
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Post by tml on May 15, 2010 23:26:48 GMT -5
I remember watching an episode within the first 100 episodes (the first four seasons) where at the end of the episode Ran sees Shinichi's face as a hallucination when looking at Conan, so she kneels down and kisses Conan. What episode was that?
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Post by Kentaru on May 24, 2010 10:57:04 GMT -5
tml: Ran suspects Conan of being Shinichi a couple of times within the 100s. However, you must be thinking of episode 96, Japanese count - the most memorable confrontation in these early episodes. It's the special with the poisoned magician where Ran tries to make Conan admit that he's Shinichi. The kiss never happened in the anime. There was a mouth-to-mouth scene between Ran and Conan in the second movie (doesn't count as a kiss) as Ran was about to drown. So my guess is that you must've mixed up scenes from the special and the underwater scene in "The Fourteenth Target."
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Post by mouri_ran on May 27, 2010 23:05:21 GMT -5
imari: No, I couldn't have been referring to the OAVs as they don't count in my book (They're never mentioned again in the manga and Aoyama didn't write them, so they might as well be AU fanfics). In answer #1, I actually meant the epilogues of the story arcs in vol10 and vol26. heiji1993: That's what happens when you watch "Case Closed" instead of the original. The anime crew changed the early MIB appearances into random villain arcs, so that created some plot holes (they didn't know how long the manga would last). In the anime, it's never explained how he learns their nicknames... However, in vol.4 of the manga, Conan overheard the MIB's nicknames on the bullet train to Osaka thanks to one of Agasa's bugs. Ai's real name's Shiho Miyano and you really need to watch the fansubs or, preferably, read the scanslation, because the dub's a travesty. @farid: I'll answer the questions I understood (I'm sorry, but half of them make no sense in English). Sharon Vineyard and Ran met in vol35. Vermouth killed Jodie's father and burned his house down to erase all the evidence that the FBI had been gathering on her. Shuuichi was in the organization for some time as an undercover FBI mole. Last question--> I'll give you a hint: the police said that the prints on Conan's cell matched the corpse, right? Well, suppose someone else in the hospital touched Conan's cell... When you can answer that question, read: wow that pic is a big help.. i finally understand what's going on.. how did you come up of this idea kentaru-kun?
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Post by tml on May 31, 2010 0:51:33 GMT -5
In episode 219 (Shinichi vs Kaito Kid) we ostensibly see Shinichi in his original form during the first half of the episode, followed by Conan in his small form during the second half of the episode. However, the only documented cases of Conan transforming back to Shinichi occurred in episodes 48-49 and 188-193. As such, what happened in this episode - was it a flashback episode (like episodes 162, 286-288, etc.), was there a secret "transformation" of Conan to Shinichi and back, or did someone pose as Shinichi?
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Post by kodomopoi on May 31, 2010 12:39:07 GMT -5
do you guys know what ran was trying to remember back in episode 284? i really cant wait xD can someone please tell me?
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