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Post by Methuselah on Mar 19, 2007 19:00:40 GMT -5
We all know that Conan is the detective who puts criminals to jail for their wrong doings. However, do you get a sense that Conan is like them as well? Sending people behind bars is, in a way, more worse than death for those who have committed such act, which are sentenced for many years. (Or life-term.) My focus is to Conan's victims who aren't really cold-blooded murderers, as proved throughout the story that they did it for personal revenge.
An example to that is from Gosho's earlier work, which that particular person killed the man who, long ago, killed her little brother and got away with it. She received the consequence in the end, as of many of those similar to her who possessed such tragic and horrifying past.
Do you think the criminals (murderers as you will), who has been victimized by real cold-blooded murderers deserves such fate from Conan himself who seemingly attacks them without mercy nor pity? In addition to that, do you think that Conan is, in a way, considered to be a murderer as well? Know that he once said that he is willing to take his own friends to jail if they were to commit murder. But what if that person killed someone as dangerous as the B.O, or actually one of them?
*Try to put yourself in those murderer's shoes. Also, think about what prison is like in a culture such as the ones in Asia. (Japan) Sure they will also be offered redemption. That is, after they finish their long sentence, along with enduring other mentally ill serial killers.
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Post by conan1232 on Mar 19, 2007 20:33:25 GMT -5
No matter wat the reason for killing is, a murderer is a murdurer
and if u r capable of commiting a murder then u deserve to go to jail because it is a cold-blooded act
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Post by Kaitou Kunoichi on Mar 19, 2007 20:36:56 GMT -5
That's a hard question to really answer. It's... like... I dunno. Second-hand murder, I guess, if you're going to look at it that way.
Thinking about it from one of the character's standpoints, one that murders and is caught by Conan, they probably wouldn't bother to murder again since their revenge has been taken, and the person had what was coming to them, and deserved nothing less.
But if you see it through Conan's eyes, a life is a life and a murderer is a murderer. The end doesn't justify the means. If jail truly was as bad as death, then those people could have reported the crime anyways or solved it by some other means.
It's easy to see both sides of the argument, so I can't really pick a side. What Conan does can be considered morally right, but I still pity the victims of his logic.
But I guess if you want to consider the fact that nearly everyone around him seems to drop dead or get hurt, then yes XP[/font]
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Post by Methuselah on Mar 19, 2007 20:55:33 GMT -5
No matter wat the reason for killing is, a murderer is a murdurer and if u r capable of commiting a murder then u deserve to go to jail because it is a cold-blooded act Then would you consider the military murderers? (To that they kill people.) But more on topic, do you think Conan is like them..? |
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Post by Giftshop on Mar 19, 2007 22:51:45 GMT -5
I do not consider Conan as a murderer, nor a criminal in any way. I'm more of a "spirit of the law" type of person, I like to look at the underlying values of the definition of a murderer. If you adopt the criminal laws on what they expressively states, maybe Conan would consider partially responsible for the sending people behind bars. But I think what criminal laws are trying to achieve is to punish wrong doings (in this case that would be murder), however trying to achieve greater good for the community. If you look at it that way Conan is well within boundary of any law.
In the case of military soldiers, if you apply law according to the literal meaning, soldiers are murderers. But it's the recognized purposes of a law that says soldiers are trying to create peace, in that case soldiers are not murderers.
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Post by Methuselah on Mar 19, 2007 23:59:36 GMT -5
I agree on your reasoning. However, I myself see Conan's approach on justice a little fade as well as the criminals who kill for a purpose, rather they did it for revenge or not.
Keep on posting! I want to see what you guys think/believe in.
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Post by triplelite on Mar 20, 2007 2:58:37 GMT -5
Conan would not be the only person doing it, the police, the secret police organizations, detectives are doing it like how you said it.
In DC, most murders happens with personal motives and some times the murderer gets a small lecture by conan why the murderer should not have killed. Example is movie 8: Magician of the Silver Sky where the murderer is still young and cries (for forgiveness maybe) getting a slight lecture from Kogoro. I wouldn't think the murderer would kill again.
But then there are still those who wouldn't change...
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Post by ThLstN on Mar 20, 2007 5:52:14 GMT -5
Even if conan didn't capture the criminal, they will still be captured some time... if that's so then they still have to go to jail so conan doesn't have anything to do with it, it's their own fault...
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Post by Misztina on Mar 20, 2007 6:57:21 GMT -5
I don't consider him as a murderer.
Conan's job is to see the truth behind the cases ad solve them. He is not the one, who decides how many years should a murderer be in prison. The court, lawyers, judge decide, whether it was self-defence, or how self-judgement should be punished. Because it should be punished.
No matter how much you hate someone, murder isn't the answer. You can make their life like hell (annoying them or whatever), but if you kill them, it's just not the same.
Not cold-blooded "just-for-fun" murderers killed people too, shouldn't they be punished just because they had personal reasons? Their punishment probably won't be the same, becauseit was not-as-intentional as in cold-blooded murderers case, but they should be punished.
Everyone must suffer from their own acts, and I believe, everyone will. It's not an ideology, it is the truth. You get, what you give (or something similar).
Conan would be a bad person if he wouldn't tell how things happened, although he knows. Being silent sometimes is worse, than doing something.
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Post by Tensai Fuji on Mar 20, 2007 11:08:16 GMT -5
I can't say that Conan is a murderer. There is a difference between them. If you murder someone, you are taking away their life forever, while putting in someone in jail, the person is still able to live his life out, and in some cases given a second chance. Murdering someone is such a waste of a life compared to just arresting a person.
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Post by kosaginolegion on Mar 20, 2007 11:20:13 GMT -5
One of the things that Gosho is very good at is showing how easy it can be for some people to find a reason to murder. Yet at the same time, he's making it clear that the reason to murder doesn't make the murder the correct response. He's showing that while the rule of law may not be perfect it's still the most effective way for a social structure to operate.
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Post by shuichiakai on Mar 20, 2007 12:33:06 GMT -5
a Murderer isn'T a guy who identigfies a murderer, even if he is going to go suicide, if you say to sb. he is a bad guy and he is jumping of a bridge it is his own decide.. but you shouldn't let him to to suicide if you know that ...
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Post by Nyarl on Mar 20, 2007 15:14:30 GMT -5
See the end of episode 78 or the end of volume 16.3. We learn that Conan does feel like a murderer, but because he couldn't stop the culprit's suicide at the end of episode 11/volume 7.7. Prison and despair aren't presented as "worse than death" in Aoyama's world. Even in the real Japan, the sympathetic murderers would probably only serve something like 3 or 10 years in prison, which is not really ruinous. ( link) |
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Post by Kudou77 on Mar 20, 2007 19:48:20 GMT -5
I don't think Conan as a murderer...
He's only a detective who must save the innocent people...
A detective have responsibility to clear a case and catch the culprit....
Murderer is only a bad guy who commits crime for various reasons..but whatever the reasons, we... as human being aren't have right to take others' life......
Murderer is a murderer....
even Conan makes the culprits sent them to the jail and some maybe got their Death Sentence, It's just because of themselves commit the murder..... It's their own mistake, not Conan....
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Post by 'Michael on Mar 20, 2007 22:08:10 GMT -5
Oh phooey, a big theme in Detective Conan was that every crime had a reason, and every murder comes from the evil of men. How many times has Conan exposed the "righteous" doings of murderers as the horrible acts of crime they are?! (Mansion murder case, movie 8, examples etc.)
Otherwise, the Conan = murderer thing goes along the lines of "holy crap wherever he goes people die!". That's not your topic, but I can't think of why Conan would be a murderer. Granted he was cold-blooded in exposing people. And I never believed he actually felt remorse for them (like when his glasses go white and he puts his head down), because he just moves on to the next case.
Case by case, that's the thing, for a detective story, there has to be cases that happen close enough to the detective for him/her to get involved. This is exactly why Conan gets so many deaths around him.
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